wish + past simple v. wish + would (2025)

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laurahya

Senior Member

BC, Canada

British English

  • Jun 13, 2008
  • #1

Hello all,

I was trying to explain "wish" sentences to a foreign friend but I got totally tangled up and realised I didn't actually know the answer myself. wish + past simple v. wish + would (1) The problem is with the difference between wish + past simple and wish + would. I have looked around and already understand the usage to some extent, that is to say:

WISH + PAST SIMPLE (I wish he was taller)
Expresses a desire for the present situation to be different.

WISH + WOULD (I wish my team would score)
Expresses a desire related to the present or the near future, in which the speaker is dissatisfied, annoyed or impatient. This construction can't be used when referring to oneself (e.g. I wish I would work less wish + past simple v. wish + would (2)).

I understand that wish + past simple cannot be used when referring to a future action. What I can't get my head around (and can't explain to my poor friend!) is why we can sometimes use both constructions, e.g.

I wish he ate more vegetables.
I wish he would eat more vegetables.

and why sometimes only wish + would is acceptable, e.g.

I wish he hurried up wish + past simple v. wish + would (3)
I wish he would hurry up

I appreciate any advice you can give me!

  • jinti

    Senior Member

    New York City and Pennsylvania

    USA - English

    • Jun 13, 2008
    • #2

    You may find this helpful (adapted from http://www.edufind.com/English/Grammar/IF10.cfm):

    The verb to wish is followed by an 'unreal' past tense when we want to talk about situations in the present that we are not happy about but cannot change:

    • I wish I had more money (=but I haven't)
    • She wishes she was beautiful (= but she's not)

    When we want to talk about situations in the past that we are not happy about or actions that we regret, we use the verb to wish followed by the past perfect:

    • I wish I hadn't said that (= but I did)
    • He wishes he hadn't bought the car (= but he did buy it.)

    When we want to talk about situations we are not happy about and where we want someone else to change them, we use to wish followed by would + infinitive:

    • I wish he would stop smoking. (= I don't like it, I want him to change it)
    • I wish you wouldn't squeeze the toothpaste from the middle! (= I want you to change your habits.)

    You specifically mentioned:

    I wish he ate more vegetables.
    I wish he would eat more vegetables.

    I think the first means that I don't think the situation is changeable -- I wish he ate more vegetables but he doesn't, and that's that -- while the second means I think there's hope -- I wish he would eat more vegetables, so I'm going to nag him until he changes.

    Your other examples were these:

    I wish he hurried up wish + past simple v. wish + would (5)
    I wish he would hurry up

    I think the first actually does work, but in the past perfect. (It's the second type of sentence mentioned in the quote I gave you -- a situation in the past that you don't like.) So it would be I wish he had hurried up (but he didn't so oh, well), and I wish he would hurry up (he could if he wanted to).

    I hope that helps. wish + past simple v. wish + would (6)

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    laurahya

    Senior Member

    BC, Canada

    British English

    • Jun 13, 2008
    • #3

    jinti said:

    When we want to talk about situations we are not happy about and where we want someone else to change them, we use to wish followed by would + infinitive:

    I agree with you there; unfortunately, you could also say that about the past simple, e.g. I wish he visited more often. Couldn't you?

    I wish he ate more vegetables.
    I wish he would eat more vegetables.

    I think the first means that I don't think the situation is changeable -- I wish he ate more vegetables but he doesn't, and that's that -- while the second means I think there's hope -- I wish he would eat more vegetables, so I'm going to nag him until he changes.

    Right, ok. I can see that, although it's awfully subtle!

    Your other examples were these:

    I wish he hurried up wish + past simple v. wish + would (7)
    I wish he would hurry up

    I think the first actually does work, but in the past perfect. (It's the second type of sentence mentioned in the quote I gave you -- a situation in the past that you don't like.) So it would be I wish he had hurried up (but he didn't so oh, well), and I wish he would hurry up (he could if he wanted to).

    Hmmm. Yes, I understand the usage of would + past perfect, that's no problem. What I'm getting at is that in one situation (with the vegetables) you can use either the past simple or would, albeit with a slight change in meaning. With some situations you just can't: it's one but never the other. It's the reasoning behind the choice that I don't understand. wish + past simple v. wish + would (8)

    Thank you so much for your explanations so far, things are starting to get clearer! Anyone have anything to add to this?

    panjandrum

    Senior Member

    Belfast, Ireland

    English-Ireland (top end)

    • Jun 13, 2008
    • #4

    He eats vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (10)
    He hurries up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (11)

    Some verbs allow for this kind of habitual action statement.
    The verbs that do can be used in the structure "I wish he <past simple form> ..."
    He ate vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (12)
    I wish he ate vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (13)
    He hurried up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (14)
    I wish he hurried up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (15)

    Is it a question of transitive/intransitive verbs?

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    laurahya

    Senior Member

    BC, Canada

    British English

    • Jun 14, 2008
    • #5

    panjandrum said:

    He eats vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (16)
    He hurries up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (17)

    Some verbs allow for this kind of habitual action statement.
    The verbs that do can be used in the structure "I wish he <past simple form> ..."
    He ate vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (18)
    I wish he ate vegetables. wish + past simple v. wish + would (19)
    He hurried up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (20)
    I wish he hurried up. wish + past simple v. wish + would (21)

    Is it a question of transitive/intransitive verbs?

    I don't think it's anything to do with transitive or intransitive verbs. You can equally say:

    I wish...
    he arrived on time / he would arrive on time (intransitive)
    he didn't hit the dog / he wouldn't hit the dog (transitive)

    However, you might be onto something with your point about habitual action (or perhaps state?). Are there any verbs that can't be used to express habitual action but can be used with wish + past simple? I've been trying to think of one but I'm having trouble with the first part!

    Also, I found this on a French website:

    We use wish with would to say how we would like somebody to behave in the future.

    Perhaps the point about the future is salient here.

    I wish this car went faster. (A general desire for the present state or general behaviour of the car)
    I wish this car would go faster. (A desire for the future behaviour of the car)

    It's another (very!) subtle point, but it might be relevant, especially in light of the hurry up example. Hurry up is valid as a future action, but not as a state or general behaviour of something. As you said, Panjandrum, it's impossible to say He hurries up.wish + past simple v. wish + would (22)

    Any thoughts on this? Can anyone make it any clearer?

    GreenWhiteBlue

    Banned

    The City of New York

    USA - English

    • Jun 14, 2008
    • #6

    Notice, however, that the wish contrary to fact calls for the subjunctive, and not the indicative. In most cases, the past subjunctive takes the same form as the indicative past simple, and it might be thought -- although inaccurately -- that it is an indicative past simple being used, when it is actually the subjunctive:

    I wish we had more money.
    I wish my parents understood me.

    For the sentence I wish he ____ taller , however, the subjunctive form of "be" and the indicative form of "to be" are not the same, and what you really want is not the indicative past, but the subjunctive. The past subjunctive of "to be" is were, and therefore what you want to write is I wish he were (and not "was") taller.

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    laurahya

    Senior Member

    BC, Canada

    British English

    • Jun 14, 2008
    • #7

    GreenWhiteBlue said:

    Notice, however, that the wish contrary to fact calls for the subjunctive, and not the indicative.
    [...]
    For the sentence I wish he ____ taller , however, the subjunctive form of "be" and the indicative form of "to be" are not the same, and what you really want is not the indicative past, but the subjunctive. The past subjunctive of "to be" is were, and therefore what you want to write is I wish he were (and not "was") taller.

    I take your point, but I think talking about the subjunctive here overcomplicates things (for learners, I mean), given that its form is almost always identical to other past tenses. It is easier to note "were" as an exception that learners simply need to recognise for comprehension purposes, and possibly produce in more formal writing. In fact, I would argue that these days it is perfectly acceptable to use the normal past simple of "to be" in these constructions. In my experience, I wish he was is a valid alternative to I wish he were. I personally vary between the two when speaking, and the only time I ever use one exclusively is in the expression If I were you, which is so ingrained as to be almost an idiom.

    heybach

    Senior Member

    Madrid, Spain

    Spanish

    • May 13, 2021
    • #8

    laurahya said:

    I wish he visited more often

    So, what would then be the difference between the following?:

    I wish he visited more often
    I wish he would visit more often.

    Is it that the first implies he can't and the second doesn't?

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